Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-3465316-20130528222638/@comment-2094219-20130601003240

TkaiaWolf wrote:

Look, maybe he was angry. Maybe he had a right to be. But anger doesn't give you the right to go around turning off chat and forums, and all the other immature behavior. Even if he was angry, he should have just taken it calmly and presented his case. If he had, maybe people would have listened to him. But no; he just went around vandalizing the wiki, which, in my opinion, is why no one listened to him.

The right? Who has the right to do anything here? Who has the right to revoke a user's rights? Who has the right to determine that what he did was worthy of additional punishment? And on the topic of immature behavior, you only need look at many of the past events and how the admin team has handled them. Renkendil, Yogscast2infinnity, Jayden, people act as if it's a battle between good and evil and then often end up with a number of bad decisions and a mess that needs to be cleared up.

TkaiaWolf wrote:

I don't think you're giving us enough credit. Maybe it's human nature to go with the flow, but still, we aren't lemmings. We are capable of thinking for ourselves, and if anyone felt that this was really wrong, they would be fighting it, just like you.

It's not my intention to insult anyone's intelligence, but it doesn't take a genius to see that people took sides against Jayden early on and every argument put forward is biased. Which is why I took it upon myself to side with Jayden on a number of points, to balance it out, as it were.

div class="quote">Supertoastfairy wrote: Fixed your quoting thing Tkaia. And Brains, I see where you are coming from. I really do. But, if he was angry, he should have remained calm still, as Tkaia said. Many decisions made in the Internet make me angry, as I'm sure they make all of us angry. And yet, we keep our cool. If he really, truly, down to his core considered all of us friends, he would not have been targeting them in arguments and fighting in the first place. Am I doing this because I dislike him? Because I hate him? No, in fact, I hold very few ill feelings for anyone over the Internet. I'm making my vote for his removal of Admin rights because this is what I believe to be right. Regardless of what his feelings were, whether they be anger of frustration or both, he still should have kept his cool and responded logically, not emotionally and erratically. The Internet requires you to type in words to speak, to think about what you are saying. He could have been bouncing on the walls, boiling mad, and he could have typed in logical words that would have led to us talking to him and coming up with a solution. Instead, he threw a virtual fit. We responding the way that we could. Elite considered us all friends, and yet he did not throw a fit when he was told about a petition against him. Instead, he asked for forgiveness.

If he really wants his powers back, he has to show it. He should have to earn them back, not have them simply thrown back to him like a Frisbee.

"Choosing not to listen to you, because you did not listen to him to begin with." I listened to him, loud and clear. I listened, and that's why I made my vote for "aye".

I agree though, permanent removal, thinking back on it, seems a bit too harsh for me to decide. However, I will see what the community decides. But, I disagree with him getting his rights back right after his ban ends. He should have to earn them back, to show that he's prepared for that rank. All the stuff that he did, the newsletter and the banners and such, he can easily do without Admin rights. They were very helpful, and still are, but he does not need Administrator rights to do those things.

Keep his cool when nobody was listening and everyone took sides against him? His arguments would be worth nothing against the arguments of everyone else. There was no reason for anyone else to loose their cool, nobody else had 10 - 15 people calling for their blood.

If the internet required you to think about what you are saying, then I assure you the YouTube comments would be infinitely more dull. People handle situations differently. Some keep their composure (Elite), others do not (Jayden). Yeah, you responded the way you could. Was it the right way? Not in my opinion.

My point is Jayden has already earned his admin rights, with his hard work editing and the newsletter. I suppose you could say he never threw the frisbee to begin with.

Did you truly listen to him? How come nobody has put forward an alternate solution? One that would benefit all.